Yes, same. :/ Hopefully they'll make NEW animations in the EPs.

wow. I used to go the TSR all the time, but not anymore since i've found snooty.

From The Sims 3 EULA:



Number 3 is pretty self-explanatory. EA owns any content you make. End of story.This in and of itself is enough to poke holes in TSR's claims that EA "modified their EULA" (even though it was never modified on any of the actual games, only in a post SUPPOSEDLY made by an EA representative who, as far as I know was a mod at TSR) in order to tacitly approve the sale of custom content. Clearly, if EA owns the content, you can't sell it.

*Rereading this, I realized that EA doesn't actually own the content, but merely a license to do whatever they wish with the content. Regardless, If EA owns rights to the content, they are free to put it up on the Exchange, the Store, or wherever they wish. Having that content available elsewhere (other than the booty, which far fewer people know about than know about the Exchange) will potentially cut into paysites' bottom lines.


Number 4 is even more interesting, and the examples make it somewhat confusing. The reference to lots and videos, but not custom content, could be taken to mean that this section does not apply to custom content. If it does apply to custom content, though, it states plainly that you CANNOT expect payment for your content:

It will be interesting to see what sites like TSR do with this pretty kettle.

Yes, technically. But to be fair, there probably wouldn't be three incarnations and crap-tons of expansion packs released over an entire decade without the insatiable Electronic Arts and its determination to drain our pockets of every simoleon.

I never really liked TSR anyways. Even back in my early days I avoided them because paying for something is stupid over virtual content.
Though Sadly with the EA store, I feel it is common place. Like Free mmos with shops to keep the game running so to speak.

I prefer Mod the Sims for content since they are pretty good, and mods it's between MATY and Twojeffs typically.

Stealing someone else's Mesh and selling it!? Bloody hell, that's like stealing candy from a baby selling it back to the baby for 20$ per pound!

The link doesn't work in the first post and i can't make sense of what happened and what's happening. Can somebody please explain the situation to me?

Andrew:



Coconut's blog is a good place to start to get "the scoop".

Some other posts of interest include:

An example of TSR's horribad customer support: http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/?p=639
How TSR refuses to remove artists' work at the artist's request (note: their entire justification for operating a paysite is that EA changed the EULA to state that the custom content creator could do whatever he or she liked with his or her work. By this token, if a creator wants to remove work from TSR, wouldn't TSR be going against "their" version of the EULA by refusing to take the content down?): http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/?p=660


*EDIT* Oh, I forgot this: http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/?p=273#more-273
Not only do they use Trojans, (note: Trojan: A program that appears legitimate, but performs some illicit activity when it is run. It may be used to locate password information or make the system more vulnerable to future entry or simply destroy programs or data on the hard disk. A Trojan is similar to a virus, except that it does not replicate itself. <--pretty sure that intentionally corrupting your game counts here.) they also use that as an excuse to accuse their PAYING MEMBERS of piracy: yet another wonderful example of TSR's oh-so-amazing customer service.

Ok, thanks for that.

TSR is the best FREE CC site ever!!! why is everybody hating on them?! this makes no sense! they offer loads of free CC for un-subscribed users!!! this makes no sense whatsoever!!!!

Personally, Mod the sims is an amazing website! And IMO It is much better than TSR

Probably because they have a looot of non-free custom content that isn't really worth paying money for... And it's technically illegal, plus it's staff apparently doesn't have the nicest reputation. So I'd feel pretty weird supporting a site like it. It makes sense to me why so many people would dislike TSR so much.

Because all their free stuff is absolute crap (Any free custom content creators usually find their way to MTS2 anyways). That's why. It makes perfect sense, we don't want to support a greedy, corporate slug of a website that has a terrible track record. I will support donation websites if they're sensible, but the TSR takes advantage of people's ignorance. If you can't handle the fact that some people don't enjoy being forced to pay for stuff that should be free, than keep on going to TSR, but please don't excpect us to follow suit. Thomass does not deserve any more money, because he has made himself rich through a petty bureaucracy.

i've downloaded some awesome free CC there. didn't really see any spectacular paid CC....

I, personally, would say let them be and let people who want to pay for content get swindled, but for 4 facts:

1. They have terrible customer service. They WILL NOT offer you a refund, even if THEIR service is interrupted. Again, for reference: http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/?p=639

2. They will not let artists who create content for their sites decide what is done with that content. If an artist later decides that s/he wants to offer all of his or her content for free, TSR will NOT remove the content at the author's request. This is doubly bad because it makes them giant stinking hypocrites, since they claim that the EULA was changed to read: "These artists set their own terms for how they want to share their talents with the community at large. Those terms should be respected by other players." TSR uses this as justification for running a paysite, but really, by refusing to let artists control the fate of their own creations, TSR is violating what they claim to be the legal EULA (just like they're violating the real EULA by selling content).

3. They support and protect members who blatantly steal another person's meshes and then charge money for them. The person whose meshes were stolen was from the MTS2 community, and obviously wanted them to be distributed for free. I don't have time to find all of the pages of evidence for this, but it's out there. The hastily constructed story about how "TSR got hacked 3 months ago, so we must be getting hit by the same person" is utter bs in my opinion.

4. TSR uses Trojans (their "Watermark"), support illegal DOS Attacks (or at least they tried...they kind of failed), and are perfectly ok with giving out full contact info, including full name, home address, and telephone numbers. These are not the actions of a beneficial force.

I'm sure. There are much better websites than TSR.

I used TSR at one time, last sub I had was back in 2006 i think. I am not a fan or endorser of any type for this site, I don't think I have even used it since my last sub was cancelled, but I do see some glaring mistakes and lies, one thing especially was the statement about paypal.

I at one time had a sub on TSR, it was awhile back when they had a 2 week sub or something similar. I had forgot to cancel it renewing, and was charged again for the sub. I emailed them and told them I had not intended to renew, same day, they responded and refunded me. No issues at all. Similar thing occurred again much later. I had intended to renew my sub for a brief period, but checked the wrong thing and got the 2 month sub, sent an emailing stating my mistake, was refunded and the subscription was corrected. There was no hassle or problems what so ever.

As for claims that paypal information can be given out, this is false. I used to run a website that sold graphic tees and other types of clothing, we used paypal as one of our methods for payment. Merchants who use paypal are never given the consumers information other than their EMAIL address and a payment authorization code. Only people who know your payment information are paypal, this is why paypal was made, its a secure service to be used so merchants CANT get at your information.

I think one thing people need to remember, is that a lot of this info is from 3rd parties, and from people who appear to dislike each other, and we all know when you have people who are at war with each other, lies and falsities get spewed out. No one knows for sure how this got started either, one side could have hurt the others feelings by doing something simple like refusing to use a creation they submitted, or saying the wrong thing, and suddenly you have a hurt individual making up a whole conspiracy about how wrongly they were treated and how terrible their business it. Then you get others jumping the bandwagon for a plethora of random reasons who in turn make up stories to add in to it like "Yea, you are right! I was hacked! I know its true!" or "Yea, they stole my paypal and took my money!" And again, we all know people make up and lie in this way for no real reason other than to be apart of it, to say people don't do this sort of thing is just being naive. A lot of people lie, and a lot of people lie for stupid reasons.

Its the internet... A lot of this stuff can be made up, evidence faked (very easily I might add), etc. No one knows the real story or honest to goodness truth behind any of this other than the few who are actually involved.

If EA really did not support what they were doing, they would shut them down. Or they wouldn't invite them to any of their fansite events, and they sure as hell wouldn't be working with them on a tool to create CC. People may not agree with paying money to buy the items, and that is fair and there is good reasoning behind it. But others don't mind and like the option to do so, and ultimately it is their choice.

Amy has put it nicely. Its very irritating to be a member of a site and see these wars between forums. For example I'm a classic video game fan and belong to both Atariage and Digitpress and every once in a while a thread pops up - one bashing the other, particularily the owners of the sites about some misdeed in the past and its just so boring and childish on both sides.

I'm not a supporter or defender of anything TSR does or does not do. I enjoy their forum and have downloaded a few of the free items but never had a pay subscription there or anywhere else and can't speak on those particular issues but then again, I don't really care. I'm a Sims fan, not a TSR fan, not a Snooty Sims fan, or fan of any other forum. They're all just a means of information, nothing more.

My goodness! Such needless drama! I was always taught that if you provide a service with honor and integrity, that was a means to success. I won't be using TSR. What a waste of energy that could be directed in a more positive manner!

Amy571 said:



Atarileaf said:



So, because you have never had a problem with them it means everyone else is making up their problems with TSR? This is what Amy said quite blatantly - that all the stories are lies made up to "jump on the bandwagon." This is the big problem I had with the SecuRom threads that were popping up on the BBS on TS2 website. People who hadn't had problems with SecuRom were telling others, "Well, I haven't had my computer completely crash or my CD writer totally disabled, so I think it's wrong of you to whine about that happening to you." Faulty logic, that there is.

I signed up for PayPal once. ONCE, because the next day PayPal (or someone pretending to be PayPal) sent me a message to my private school faculty e-mail. That is not the e-mail address I gave them. How did they get it? And even if it was someone pretending to be PayPal, I don't believe in coincidences and how did this third party find out I had just signed up for PayPal? It CANNOT be totally secure. And if the site itself is having security issues (which it seems TSR admitted), then I wouldn't trust any party associated with them even if it is a trustworty party at other sites.

If someone has a bad experience and they decide not to use a certain service anymore, more power to them. If you had a good experience and so want to continue using that service, more power to you. But please don't call others liars for having a different experience than you did.