Well said!

The reason I don't like TSR is that I once created a waitrress sim using a body mesh and a hair mesh by different people. I put in the info file to credit both mesh creators, but TSR only credited the hair creator, and the body creator got mad at ME for it. When I brought it to TSR's attention, they told me it wasn't their problem, and just ended up deleting the sim (which was at that time fine with me) but I specifically made sure to always credit mesh creators, so when the lack of credit fell onto MY rep I was quite mad at TSR for that.

I didn't say that quite blatantly and I didnt that all stories are lies, I said people need to consider that possibility and cant deny that it happens, because so far on this thread I have seen numerous amounts of posts stating things like

"OH! I used to love TSR! But now that i saw what everyone is saying I will never use them again" even though they have never had a problem, never had any trouble, all of it just based on what people are saying without any kind of SOLID proof other than what a few anonymous people have put on a website. And on those websites the proof is easily faked. Some people are jumping in and raging about something they haven't even experienced themselves based on stories from third parties and taking those stories as gospel without even questioning the possibility that they may not be accurate. It is a part of crowd mentality.

As for paypal, it doesn't work different at one site than it does the other, which would make no sense at all if it did.

Paypal was created for sites like Ebay, to reduce the amount of fraud and scamming that was taking place long ago through the merchants on the site. Paypal works as a middleman, and there is no way TSR would ever have access to your Paypal information. Doing so would honestly result in a legal action against Paypal on a rather large scale, because it would be illegal. And paypal is a much larger worldwide service than TSR, that has been around for many years and is used by some of the biggest online merchants, so I can assure you that if something like that happened with them you would know. Someone would have to hack the paypal site in order to get at your information, they could hack TSR all they want and would never be able to see anything about your payment info at all, as TSR themselves never ever are allowed to see it. Hacking a site owned by the likes of paypal would be very hard, as they are protected very well, and even attempting to do so would probably result in very quick action and jail time.

My issue isnt with people not wanting to use TSR, if you notice I pointed out I haven't even used it since 2005/2006 or so, don't even think I have visited the site really since then. My issue is with many of the people joining in to condemn them without much reason other than "This person/site says......" and no personal experience or information or anything of their own.

Amy has a point there. You can't simply just jump at a negative side without looking at it from another perspective. I mean, if you listen only to ONE side without seeing the other side for yourself then how do you truly know the story is accurate?

She didn't mean to come across as if the nay-sayers were lying... she had a different experience from a few others. Just see it from her side and come up with a conclusion.

Although, as for me, I find the fact that so many mistakes were done to many of TSR's customers is enough to not want me to go there... not that I would have, anyway. I prefer to use the main website if I ever want anything.

No, this is blantantly telling the people - the ones who have posted their stories in this thread - that they are "jumping on the bandwagon" for "random reasons." I agree with you that lies can be spread from third parties that just want to hurt someone else as a form of comptetition. But that second quote right there is saying (whether you mean it to or not) that people with stories about Paypal or being hacked are lying and being naive. Your words.



I agree with this, but also with Atarileaf about avoiding something if enough people give it a bad name. When the majority of reviews are bad it's probably bad. I usually try a restaurant even if my mom doesn't like it, you know? But if ten of my friends told me that the food was awful, I'd probably avoid it.

EA and TSR are both lying liars with zero credibility. I would love to see both go bankrupt.

Uh, you do realize that if EA goes bankrupt, ther'll be no more Sims right?

EA's money-hungry, but let's not be ridiculous in our annoyance. LOL

I wouldn't go so far as to say that since if that did happen to EA they would just sell the franchise to someone else. Since The Sims brings in a lot of income I bet it wouldn't be hard to find potential buyers.

Either way though, I have a stronger desire to see better changes in both places before I see them bankrupt, but bankruptcy is probably more likely than the changes both parties need and should make.

There are VERY few companies that could shoulder a franchise as massive as The Sims. Even fewer if you require PC development. If EA went bust, The Sims would probably be finished. And personally, I see no 'changes' that the company needs to make. They're not doing anything -wrong-. They're getting us new games on a roughly 5 year cycle, with 2 expansion packs each year in between, and a nice smattering of stuff packs as well. What's not to love? That you actually have to pay for it? Any developer is going to require that. They're not going to develop something this lucrative and then give it away for free.

And if it's a question of not liking TS3's art direction or some other aesthetic point, let's remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think TS3 is a marked improvement over TS2, and am grateful to EA/Maxis for developing it. Here's hoping they profit well from it, so we'll get even better stuff in the future.

Those of us upset with EA aren't looking for a free game or other free stuff. We're looking to be treated as customers who are people not just money bags. If you're happy with EA I have nothing against that because that's up to you. The rest of us who are not too happy just want to be treated with respect by EA.

I also understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't care about TSR's aesthetic productions. It's the illegal and unethical actions of some of their staff, and the tolerance of allowing staff members to perform and get away with them is what I and most (if not all) other people don't like about TSR.

(striked out because I realized that I misread it. Sorry! )

QFT

I really have no problem with paying for expansions. They have to pay the designers to design those expansions, same with The Sims Store. You don't NEED the Sims Store stuff to play the game, but if you want it, you pay for it. Just like I paid for the "Knothole Island" and "See the Future" downloadable contents for Fable 2 and the South Central + 2 car packs for Midnight Club Los Angeles on my Xbox 360.

EA did not shoulder the franchise, Maxis did. But now Maxis doesn't exist unfortunately. And if EA went bust, the franchise would most likely be continued by Will Wright, since it is one of the most popular games of all time. There is nothing wrong with EA creating expansion packs, however you'd have to be blind not to see that EA is trying to capitalize its profits while letting the customers suffer. We made them rich, and I hate being treated like an idiot when EA purposely leaves things out of their game, stuff that could have easily been included, and makes me pay for it, right after I dished out $50 for the game itself. We shouldn't have to pay for things that could have easily been included in the base game. If you have no problem with a company charging you ridiculous amounts of money for a few pixels that are only a few megabytes in size, that's fine, but it's also pretty sad.

As for aesthetic purposes, TS3 looks much better than the TS2.

Yeah, TS3 is great I just hate the "rabbit holes" thing.

A thousand reasons why you should not support TSR or download anything or subscribe or do anything WHATSOEVER with TSR.

*By the way, the above was from June 1st*

And see this!:


BUT WAIT




We win.

Wow! I never realised that TSR was that evil!
Just use Parsimonious, it's free and its not run by Hitler.

I was going to say something along the lines of 'ea is probably trying to create a bit of distance from the controversial stuff while allowing quiet support for custom content communities, since what they do raises enthusiasm and longetivity for both their products.'

after reading this and seeing those screenshots.. wow.. never thought an organization could be so sneaky and evil.. I have never used CC, but I do browse around.. but am never going near TSR..

EA probably learned a lot from the Sims 2 experience.. i mean they did go round for sims 3 and did creators camp and encourage the most creative players, builders and simmers they could find.. and what they did was open and public.. not an exclusive and private affair that would raise alarms that one community was getting preferential treatment over the other.. and I'm sure EA knows that they cannot keep a monopoly on creativity.. so I'm assuming that they will never openly antagonize custom content creators or their communities.. but I sure wish they had with TSR..

somewhat off topic, but there was a comment about buggy software: the first few releases are always buggy and somewhat pricey.. that's why I never buy immediately and wait for six months or a year for prices to go down.. I won't always be part of the mainstream but the company may learn it made a serious mistake and do something better.. just like what happened to windows vista.. hehe

edited by me because i wanted to add a minor point in

I'm not sure if this should be a new topic or not, but I reasoned that here might be better than creating another TSR issues thread. Hope that's OK.


On MATY and PMBD there are threads concerning the TSR Workshop tool. A user, ShanOw, took screen caps of two warning their anti-virus gave them. Apparently it comes with spyware.

You can check out the PMBD thread here: http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php/topic,2505.0.html
I can't link the MATY one of course, but it's not hard to find anyway.

You can take from it what you will. I just wanted to give a heads up for anyone who downloaded it or plans to download it because I certainly would want to know.

Hmmm thanks... though I'm honestly not sure what to think of MATY's hackles being up, since he INSISTS that The Sims 3 contains SecuROM still, when it doesn't... unless the digital download version still does? He's a tad overly paranoid about such things.

You're welcome. This didn't originally come from Pescado though. It came from someone who is more connected to MTS than MATY. For this he's just the messenger. I don't go with every statement that he makes either until it's backed up (as I do with everyone), which is why I waited to post the above message until other members or the original screencapper added more helpful info. This is coming from the more up to date tool, or at least that's what I understood.

Although I'm not overly frequent at MATY, I only recall him saying that SecuROM was only found in the leaked version and it's believed that the leaked version is a copy of the digital download. But I do agree that he does come off as paranoid, so, I understand your reasoning. No matter who it is, it's always good to wait for a statement to be properly backed up with logical reasoning and (or?) proof.

I'd love EA to be bought out by Apple or someone else, or at least Sims be taken off them. Although I love TS3, it could have a lot of improvement, and I'm worried what EA will do to improve the game in the future EPs. Look at Pets.

TSR can go bankrupt for all I care, they're always crossing the line, and no action is taken. It annoys me a lot. Someone needs to sort Thom@$$ out. They broke the EULA and a lot of other rules... They should be an outcast, not a normal sims site.

And to think I used to like TSR in '05...